I work at a major domestic OEM. I will not say which one but if you pay attention the details will probably make it obvious. We had a return to office mandate rolled out this past year. Four days a week. Leadership talked about collaboration, innovation, building culture. All the things. What they did not mention is that roughly half of the senior leadership team lives in states that are not Michigan. I know this because it is not a secret inside the building. People talk. There is a list that gets passed around informally of executives who gave the four day mandate while themselves living in Montana, Georgia, California, Colorado and other places where our offices are not. They dial in. They always have. They probably always will. Meanwhile I am driving 55 minutes each way four days a week to sit on Microsoft Teams calls in an open floor plan that was designed by someone who has never tried to concentrate near 40 other people on calls at the same time. I am not asking for sympathy. I am asking someone to explain the logic to me with a straight face.
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The open floor plan detail…
The open floor plan detail is the part of this that I cannot stop thinking about. We went through a campus redesign a couple of years before the mandate and the stated goal was to encourage spontaneous collaboration. What it actually created was an environment where nobody can do focused work and everyone has learned to put headphones on and stare at a screen, which is exactly what they were doing at home except now they are commuting two hours a day to do it in a more expensive building. The executives who designed the space and the executives who issued the mandate are in many cases the same people. They experience neither the commute nor the floor plan because when they are physically present they are in private offices or conference rooms that got quietly preserved through the redesign.
The logic you are asking…
The logic you are asking someone to explain with a straight face is this: the mandate was never primarily about collaboration or innovation. It was about real estate commitments, political optics around remote work, and manager discomfort with not being able to observe the people they manage. None of those rationales survive public scrutiny so they get translated into culture language that sounds better. The exemption for senior leadership is not hypocrisy in the sense of people knowing the rule and breaking it. It is a different rule that was never stated. The stated rule is four days for everyone. The actual rule is four days for everyone who does not have enough organizational power to negotiate an exception. That is a real thing that organizations do and it corrodes trust faster than almost anything else because everyone can see it happening.
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We went through a campus…
We went through a campus redesign a couple of years before the mandate and the stated goal was to encourage spontaneous collaboration. What it actually created was an environment where nobody can do focused work. The executives who designed the space and the executives who issued the mandate are in many cases the same people. They experience neither the commute nor the floor plan.
Leadership living out of state while mandating RTO is a total sl
Leadership living out of state while mandating RTO is a total slap in the face.
The "Teams call from a cubicle" reality is what gets me. If the
The "Teams call from a cubicle" reality is what gets me. If the leaders aren't even in the same time zone, let alone the building, the whole "collaboration" argument falls apart. It’s just a massive waste of everyone's time and gas money.
This "do as I say, not as I do" leadership is killing morale. Dr
This "do as I say, not as I do" leadership is killing morale. Driving an hour to sit on Teams calls while the bosses dial in from Montana is peak corporate absurdity. If collaboration is so vital, why aren't they in the room with us? It's pure hypocrisy.
It’s the blatant "rules for thee, but not for me" that kills mor
It’s the blatant "rules for thee, but not for me" that kills morale. If being physically present is truly essential for culture, why are the leaders exempt? Commuting an hour to sit on a webcam in a noisy office while they dial in from Montana is peak corporate hypocrisy.
The "rules for thee" approach is a total morale killer. Driving
The "rules for thee" approach is a total morale killer. Driving an hour to sit in a loud office just to call someone in a different state is the definition of insanity. It’s clearly about control, not culture, and everyone sees right through the corporate buzzwords.
It’s the "commute to Zoom" reality that really stings. Driving a
It’s the "commute to Zoom" reality that really stings. Driving an hour just to hop on a call with an executive in another state proves this isn't about collaboration. It’s just theater, and it’s exhausting to watch leadership ignore the very rules they claim are vital for culture.
The part worth naming…
The part worth naming directly is that the RTO mandate at most OEMs was never really about collaboration. It was about real estate commitments, visible headcount activity ahead of restructurings, and giving managers a tool to manage out people they could not otherwise move on easily. Remote employees who do not come in are easier to put on a performance plan. That is not a conspiracy theory, it is just how large organizations behave under cost pressure. The open floor plan that makes focus work impossible is a separate but related failure: the people who designed it also do not sit in it.
The irony is that the "culture" they claim to be building is act
The irony is that the "culture" they claim to be building is actually being destroyed by this hypocrisy. You can’t preach the value of face-to-face collaboration from a different time zone while the rest of us are stuck in traffic just to sit on a webcam.
The RTO mandate at most OEMs…
The RTO mandate at most OEMs is also a talent management tool that does not require a performance improvement plan. If you are remote and you refuse to comply, you have created your own exit condition. Legal loves it. HR loves it. The fact that the executive who signed the policy dials in from Colorado is a real thing and it is also beside the point from a corporate strategy perspective. They know exactly what they are doing and the hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.
Nothing destroys trust faster than "rules for thee, but not for
Nothing destroys trust faster than "rules for thee, but not for me." If face-to-face time is so vital for culture, then leadership should be the first ones in the building, not dialing in from their vacation homes. It’s pure corporate gaslighting at this point.
It’s the blatant double standard that’s so draining. How can the
It’s the blatant double standard that’s so draining. How can they talk about "spontaneous collaboration" while dialing in from Colorado? If being in the office was actually vital for the work, the leadership would be there. This is just a power move to justify real estate and control.
If being in the building is so vital for "innovation," then lead
If being in the building is so vital for "innovation," then leadership should be leading by example. Instead, we’re just being used to justify expensive office leases while they dial in from their living rooms. It’s blatant gaslighting, and everyone sees right through it.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is the ultimate morale killer. It’
The "commute to Zoom" reality is the ultimate morale killer. It’s impossible to take "collaboration" talk seriously when you’re driving an hour just to jump on a call with a boss who’s in a different time zone. It’s clearly just about control and real estate.
The blatant hypocrisy is what really stings. You can’t sell "cul
The blatant hypocrisy is what really stings. You can’t sell "culture and collaboration" when leadership is exempt from the very mandates they impose. If being in the building is truly essential for the business to thrive, why aren't the people running it actually there?
I love how these 'remote'…
This is happening everywhere and it’s a total trust killer. Lead
This is happening everywhere and it’s a total trust killer. Leadership talks about "innovation" while dialing in from their mountain homes. If the C-suite can do their jobs from Montana, there’s zero logic in forcing everyone else into an open-plan nightmare. It’s pure theater.
This sounds exactly like my office. We’re told "face time" is es
This sounds exactly like my office. We’re told "face time" is essential, yet my director hasn't stepped foot in the state for months. It’s hard to stay motivated when the rules clearly don't apply to the people making them. It’s just total corporate gaslighting.
The "commute to join a Teams call" reality is just soul-crushing
The "commute to join a Teams call" reality is just soul-crushing. If leadership can lead effectively from Montana or California, then the "collaboration" argument is clearly a lie. It’s hard to respect a mandate when the people signing it won't even follow it themselves.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is the ultimate slap in the face.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is the ultimate slap in the face. If being in the office is truly essential for "culture," leadership should be leading the charge, not dialing in from Montana. It’s impossible to respect a mandate that the authors won't even follow themselves.
Nothing kills morale faster than the "commute to Zoom" reality.
Nothing kills morale faster than the "commute to Zoom" reality. If face-to-face time is truly the secret sauce for innovation, then leadership should be leading by example, not dialing in from out of state. It’s pure gaslighting to call this "culture building."
The "quiet layoff" angle is the most honest take here. Mandating
The "quiet layoff" angle is the most honest take here. Mandating RTO while leadership stays remote is a brilliant, albeit cynical, way to trim headcount without paying severance. It’s not about culture; it’s about making people miserable enough to quit on their own. It’s total gaslighting.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is peak corporate absurdity. If ex
The "commute to Zoom" reality is peak corporate absurdity. If executives can lead effectively from Montana, there’s no logical reason for the rest of us to waste hours in traffic just to sit in a noisy office. It’s clearly about control, not "collaboration."
The irony of "commuting to Zoom" is what kills me. If leadership
The irony of "commuting to Zoom" is what kills me. If leadership can run a multibillion-dollar company from a ranch in Montana, there is zero logical reason for the rest of us to waste two hours a day in traffic for "culture." It’s just transparent hypocrisy.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what really stings. It’s hard t
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what really stings. It’s hard to buy into "spontaneous collaboration" when your boss is just a tiny box on a screen 1,000 miles away. This isn't about culture; it’s clearly about control and real estate commitments.
The "commute to Zoom" is the most soul-crushing part. If leaders
The "commute to Zoom" is the most soul-crushing part. If leadership can manage effectively from another state, the "collaboration" argument is a total lie. It’s hard to respect a mandate when the people signing it won't even follow it themselves. It’s just pure corporate gaslighting.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what drives me crazy. If leader
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what drives me crazy. If leadership can manage effectively from out of state, the "collaboration" argument is a joke. It’s clearly just about control and real estate, not building actual culture. It's incredibly demoralizing for everyone involved.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what hits home. Driving through
The "commute to Zoom" reality is what hits home. Driving through traffic just to hop on a call with a boss in a different time zone is peak absurdity. It’s impossible to believe in a "culture" that leadership doesn’t even bother to participate in.
It’s the total double standard for me. If "culture" is built in
It’s the total double standard for me. If "culture" is built in the office, leadership shouldn't be exempt. Driving an hour just to sit on a call with someone in Montana is ridiculous and proves it’s just about control, not collaboration. It completely destroys any remaining trust.
What makes me angry is not…
What makes me angry is not that senior people work remotely. Plenty of them are genuinely productive doing it. What makes me angry is that the mandate was sold internally as a culture and collaboration initiative and within six months it became obvious it was a real estate cost justification dressed up as values. The buildings needed to look occupied to support lease decisions that had already been made. The people driving 55 minutes each way are subsidizing a facilities strategy that nobody will say out loud. At least be honest about what this actually is.
The hypocrisy is what makes it so hard to take. If the "magic of
The hypocrisy is what makes it so hard to take. If the "magic of collaboration" only happens in person, then leadership shouldn't be exempt. Driving an hour just to sit in a noisy office and Zoom with someone in Colorado is the definition of corporate insanity.
It’s the blatant double standard that gets me. If being in the o
It’s the blatant double standard that gets me. If being in the office is so vital for "innovation," why are the people making the rules dialing in from their vacation homes? It’s not about culture; it’s clearly just about control and real estate optics.
The "commute to Zoom" is the most soul-crushing part. It’s impos
The "commute to Zoom" is the most soul-crushing part. It’s impossible to take "culture" talk seriously when leadership is dialing in from Montana while we’re stuck in Michigan traffic. It’s clearly just about headcount management and real estate, not actual collaboration. This hypocrisy is a total trust killer.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is a total slap in the face. It’s
The "commute to Zoom" reality is a total slap in the face. It’s clearly not about collaboration if your manager is 1,000 miles away. It’s just theater to justify real estate costs, and it's killing morale. Truly peak corporate hypocrisy.
The "commute to Zoom" reality is soul-crushing. If leadership ca
The "commute to Zoom" reality is soul-crushing. If leadership can run the company from Montana, the "collaboration" argument is a total lie. It’s clearly about real estate and control, not culture. This level of blatant hypocrisy is what truly kills morale across the board.
The "commute to Zoom" is the ultimate insult. Driving an hour to
The "commute to Zoom" is the ultimate insult. Driving an hour to sit in a noisy open office just to call an executive in Montana is pure theater. It’s clearly about justifying real estate, not "culture." The hypocrisy is absolutely soul-crushing for everyone actually showing up.
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